This could have probably went under Security or Connectivity, but I will place it here.
https://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=12588
I am undecided if this is a good thing for SonicWALL or not, which many of you know I am personally not a fan of.
Many times when a computer company buys a vendor it's because they somehow want to integrate that product into their current hardware of software somehow. I could be way off base, but since routers and the like are so hardware agnostic, I don't see how they could corrupt the direction of development of technology in any meaningful way. That said, SonicWall does more than just routers now, so I could be way wrong on the rest of it. I guess I don't see how this helps Dell in any way, unless the online backup solutions offerings of SonicWall is what they're after. Or am I missing some other synergistic "win" for this pairing?
I think the "win" is somewhat two-fold. Dell isn't in the computer business. They are in the service business and this just adds to their portfolio of offerings. Also, the article points out that SonicWALL has a nice patent portfolio so I'm sure Dell is very interested in that for one reason or another.
Mark:
What don't you like about SonicWall?
Quote from: Billy Welsh on March 14, 2012, 11:21:13 AM
Mark:
What don't you like about SonicWall?
It's web management interface mostly and the log. Logs are muy importante! I can't stand SonicWALL's logs. Plus, I hate subscriptions... though everything has them these days.
It's a personal preference thing. I'm just a Cisco fan. I HAVE admitted that it's not an apples to apples comparison though, but don't see anything changing my stance on SW.
I bake from scratch, some bake from boxes. Both can be good or bad.
Quote from: StubbleBeard on March 14, 2012, 11:54:24 AM
I bake from scratch, some bake from boxes. Both can be good or bad.
Exactly why I don't intend to push my preference on anyone.
I brew from scratch and I have brewed from boxes. Let's just say that to date, brewing from boxes has tasted better. lol
Quote from: Mark on March 14, 2012, 11:24:28 AM
Quote from: Billy Welsh on March 14, 2012, 11:21:13 AM
Mark:
What don't you like about SonicWall?
It's web management interface mostly and the log. Logs are muy importante! I can't stand SonicWALL's logs. Plus, I hate subscriptions... though everything has them these days.
It's a personal preference thing. I'm just a Cisco fan. I HAVE admitted that it's not an apples to apples comparison though, but don't see anything changing my stance on SW.
As an amateur naturally I prefer the SW web interface - back in our Cisco days I was lost :o
But I'll be the last person to praise their logs. I don't even think my techs refer to them on a regular basis - only if debugging something.
Quote from: Billy Welsh on March 14, 2012, 12:22:26 PM
As an amateur naturally I prefer the SW web interface - back in our Cisco days I was lost :o
I am not an expert by any means, but I do like to use both ASDM and SSH to make config changes. Depends on what I need to do.
Quote from: Mark on March 14, 2012, 10:30:08 AM
I think the "win" is somewhat two-fold. Dell isn't in the computer business. They are in the service business and this just adds to their portfolio of offerings. Also, the article points out that SonicWALL has a nice patent portfolio so I'm sure Dell is very interested in that for one reason or another.
? Maybe I'm not familiar enough with Dell. Are you saying that they do not make most of their money making and selling computers, but from providing some kind of service? I guess I'm confused.
I can certainly see the patents and intellectual property angle,however.
Quote from: Mark on March 14, 2012, 11:24:28 AM
Quote from: Billy Welsh on March 14, 2012, 11:21:13 AM
Mark:
What don't you like about SonicWall?
It's web management interface mostly and the log. Logs are muy importante! I can't stand SonicWALL's logs. Plus, I hate subscriptions... though everything has them these days.
It's a personal preference thing. I'm just a Cisco fan. I HAVE admitted that it's not an apples to apples comparison though, but don't see anything changing my stance on SW.
I agree with you on their logs, but I think that their preferred method of logging events is their data collection engine, which collects a lot more information than the log does, but requires a separate server to run on.
I don't know if they offer anything for configuration other than the web interface.
Quote from: Jeff Zylstra on March 14, 2012, 01:40:01 PM
I think that their preferred method of logging events is their data collection engine, which collects a lot more information than the log does, but requires a separate server to run on.
That's ludicrous!! A PERFECT example of why I do not like them. It's stupid things like this. THAT one goes on my list! lol
Cisco is not perfect though. For example, the ASA5505, which *should* be comparable to the TZ210 does not do URL filtering without a 3rd part device like (eeewww!) Websense.
But, the 5505 has support for vlans and has I think 2 PoE ports. Also, for almost the same price as I paid for a TZ210 (government/non-profit prie for TZ210 mind you) my ASA came with plenty of ipsec VPN client licenses where as the TZ210 came with 0. Now, these are add-ons for both products if I understand correctly, but in a price comparison, no dice.
Again, it's not fair apples to apples though. IPS is an extra physical module on the ASA, where it's all software & subscription on the TZ210. I think I prefer the module because the processing is offloaded to the module.
I have tasted Marks brew and he needs the box ;D
I liked SW back with the standard OS. When they moved to the enhanced OS, I was lost for a while. In fact, I still get lost because half the time my programming never works. However, if you use the wizards, it works 99% of the time. I hate the way that when you want to create a simple rule, you have to go through great measures to prepare all the info for the rule.....I can see Mark's dislikes compared to other vendors.
I do think SW makes and excellent product. My #1 complaint is their service. It sucks! I think Dell can help with that.