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Title: Virtualizing TAM. I mean REALLY virtualizing.
Post by: Jason@KiteTech on May 24, 2011, 07:20:20 AM
I know ASI will have a problem w/ this b/c it eats into their TAM Online profit, but I'll ask anyway:  Has anyone moved their data to the cloud, or colocated it?  Any tips, suggestions, caveats?
Title: Re: Virtualizing TAM. I mean REALLY virtualizing.
Post by: DebAmstutz on May 24, 2011, 09:21:49 AM
I don't think the cloud is allowed.
Title: Re: Virtualizing TAM. I mean REALLY virtualizing.
Post by: Jeff Zylstra on May 24, 2011, 09:33:15 AM
Quote from: DebAmstutz on May 24, 2011, 09:21:49 AM
I don't think the cloud is allowed.

Is this pun-ishment for something Jason said?   ;D
Title: Re: Virtualizing TAM. I mean REALLY virtualizing.
Post by: Hans Manhave on May 24, 2011, 10:32:55 AM
We are only able to give useless comments such as:

TAM 9.3 license, section 2.1.4: For the avoidance of doubt, a third party may not host the Software for Licensee's benefit without Applied Systems' written permission.  This permission may be withheld at Applied Systems' sole discretion.

Title: Re: Virtualizing TAM. I mean REALLY virtualizing.
Post by: Rob Reckard on May 25, 2011, 07:43:25 PM
That's interesting, anyone ever ask for written permission?
Title: Re: Virtualizing TAM. I mean REALLY virtualizing.
Post by: Jeff Zylstra on May 26, 2011, 08:22:30 AM
Quote from: Rob Reckard on May 25, 2011, 07:43:25 PM
That's interesting, anyone ever ask for written permission?

All of those requests are referred to the TAM Online department.  I bet that wold generate a phone call real quick.
Title: Re: Virtualizing TAM. I mean REALLY virtualizing.
Post by: Bloody Jack Kidd on May 26, 2011, 09:34:27 AM
Quote from: Rob Reckard on May 25, 2011, 07:43:25 PM
That's interesting, anyone ever ask for written permission?

Hi Rob!

Welcome to AU... just thought I'd throw that in here.

Title: Re: Virtualizing TAM. I mean REALLY virtualizing.
Post by: Jeff Zylstra on May 26, 2011, 12:20:32 PM
Quote from: Bloody Jack Kidd on May 26, 2011, 09:34:27 AM
Quote from: Rob Reckard on May 25, 2011, 07:43:25 PM
That's interesting, anyone ever ask for written permission?

Hi Rob!

Welcome to AU... just thought I'd throw that in here.

Fresh meat, er new member.  Welcome Rob!  ;)
Title: Re: Virtualizing TAM. I mean REALLY virtualizing.
Post by: Rob Reckard on May 27, 2011, 01:32:32 PM
Thanks, I feel the love already.
Title: Re: Virtualizing TAM. I mean REALLY virtualizing.
Post by: Jason@KiteTech on May 31, 2011, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: Rob Reckard on May 25, 2011, 07:43:25 PM
That's interesting, anyone ever ask for written permission?
Yes, and they were flatly denied.

Reading through the TAM 10.8 EULA, it doesn't specifically say it isn't allowed.  It only says that it must be an "approved environment."  One could assume that a colocated server w/ ample specs would be "approved" since we all know there's no fundamental difference.

There's probably something more specific that an agency signs when they start using the software, though.  I've just never seen that wording.

But let's take that 9.3 wording at face value.  Colocated servers that I own are not "hosted" by a 3rd party.  I just rent power and bandwidth, just like I do here at my office.
Title: Re: Virtualizing TAM. I mean REALLY virtualizing.
Post by: Alice on June 01, 2011, 01:57:34 PM
I was going to attach the license agreement that is available to everyone by going to Tam Home Base / Help / About and click on License Agreement, then then changed my mind since I think non-Tam users access these groups. Just trying to stay out of trouble here.

I think the verbiage you're looking for is under 2.4 (page 3 if printed). I may be interpreting it wrong but I think it's close, or it should be in there somewhere maybe in another section.
We are on Tam 10.7.
Title: Re: Virtualizing TAM. I mean REALLY virtualizing.
Post by: Mark on June 01, 2011, 03:35:18 PM
There was recently (past few months) discussion on this somewhere else online and if I recall correctly, it all lies in technicalities of who owns what (short version).  I also believe that the OP was denied and shortly after that granted permission to host TAM data at a colo.

There is also an agency in Texas who (speak up man) who hosts data for other agencies -- or something to that effect.